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I meant CP Tan was the winner of last year's theSun Hunt.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-89518481992286005302009-03-15T06:05:00.000+08:002009-03-15T06:05:00.000+08:00Hi,LoL Corny...i think is the third quotation inst...Hi,<BR/>LoL Corny...i think is the third quotation instead of second....<BR/><BR/>http://life-spectrum.blogspot.com/2009/03/hunters-challenge.html<BR/><BR/>He is the winner of TheSun Hunt last year.....i perhaps that is CP Tan?Jimmy Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03472649175864433324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-34496451017583906262009-03-14T22:55:00.000+08:002009-03-14T22:55:00.000+08:00BlogCe5nt,I don't think anyone is complaining ...BlogCe5nt,<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone is complaining on the quality of your questions. I have said it before, and I am saying it again now - you have done a good job for a tough hunt. I welcome this kind of questions, and I am sure most, if not all, of the elite hunters would say the same. However, it would have been better if we had the time to actually attempt them all. It's a shame to let them go to waste on account of insufficient time.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps some newbies truly enjoyed this hunt. But of the two that you've quoted, at least the second one is not exactly a newbie. We will see his name on the Time Out Hall of Fame list by the next Sun Hunt. His team was the champion in the Open Category last year. They beat some giants in the likes of "Space Pirates" and "2 Sneakies & 2 Innocents".Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-68125520633071563532009-03-14T12:58:00.000+08:002009-03-14T12:58:00.000+08:00Some comments from other hunters that were sent to...Some comments from other hunters that were sent to me:<BR/><BR/>“Thank you to you and your team for the really challenging Treasure Hunt yesterday. Although I felt lost and was floundering around most of the time but it has been an eye (and mind) opening experience. My biggest problem is getting committed team mates, I can’t seem to find others to join more hunts. Don’t worry, I won’t give up and I do hope to meet you in person too in one of the hunts!”<BR/>YKS (March 3, 2009)<BR/><BR/>“Today's hunt was fantastic even though we got bullied by all the question but me and my team definitely enjoy it and learn more things from this hunt.”<BR/>LLF (March 1, 2009)<BR/><BR/>http://life-spectrum.blogspot.com/2009/03/hunters-challenge.html<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/>CP Tan (March 1, 2009)<BR/><BR/>I believe these comments were from not-so-regulars, maybe even newbies. It goes to show that individual performance in a hunt does not necessarily translate to "non-attractiveness". <BR/><BR/>Often, the quality of it attracts them to come back for more - to try again and again. Contrast that with hunts that make one feel silly, "unintelligent" and worst of all - "cheated"? <BR/><BR/>If all hunts could draw the crowd with mesmerising "attractive" quality, the standard will rise naturally and then we will achieve both objectives - quality and quantity.BlogCe5nThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13655155453671738720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-46535099109324767302009-03-07T12:18:00.000+08:002009-03-07T12:18:00.000+08:00Agree that it was quality tea, 1001000 (took quite...Agree that it was quality tea, 1001000 (took quite a while to figure out who you are - shows that I'm a slow tea taster).<BR/>We were luckier that we did not spill any tea but we didn't end up as very successful tea tasters as we only managed to identify half the tea served - the rest we either couldn't discern the taste or swallowed them so quickly that we didn't even know whether it was tea or coffee !<BR/>We hope the 'tea plantation' will continue to give us their blends of quality tea which we enjoy and keep in mind that even the best tea cannot be appreciated if it's spilled or just swallowed. Premium tea too, should be marketed and branded as such and not as 'Tea 101' :)renrochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08702961078069307044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-54176753815103379422009-03-06T22:12:00.000+08:002009-03-06T22:12:00.000+08:00Very well said indeed, 1001000! I couldn't have sa...Very well said indeed, 1001000! I couldn't have said it any better. As you have pointed out, the questions do have such smooth surface reading that made them tricky for hunters to crack. As for new ideas, new tricks, new innovations....what can I say... they thrill me to the bones!<BR/>I, too, look forward to the next one...and hope that we'll get more time to savour the premium quality 'tea'. ;)Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09701855517580574117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-62332388943722287082009-03-06T20:57:00.000+08:002009-03-06T20:57:00.000+08:00It's interesting to read all these comments go...It's interesting to read all these comments going to & fro. But let's not lose sight that the main objective of the comments should be constructive and well-intended to improve treasure hunt standard.<BR/><BR/>As a fellow participant of the hunt itself, let me share on the positives, as well as rooms for improvement.<BR/><BR/>As a whole, this hunt has many positives; eg I have no problem with goodies, food quality, tulip accuracy, choice of hunt locations, briefing venue, flag-off etc. All these are well taken care.<BR/><BR/>I would like on comment a bit more on the following areas:-<BR/>1. Question Quality<BR/>2. Hunt Innovation<BR/>3. Time Allocation<BR/><BR/>1. On the whole judging from the Q breakdown, I sincerely believe that this is a quality hunt. It has almost everything you can name; anagram, acrostic, sound like, insertion, double definition, back, DJ, hidden, container, visual etc. What makes the Q slightly more unique is the effort to make the Q surface reading smooth. This forces the hunters to consistently re-examine their perceptions & shift its paradigm. <BR/><BR/>However of course there are a couple of questions which may stretch the imagination (eg T4 & Q26) & require much more time to be solved. Perhaps what may be neglected here is the psychology of hunters during a hunt.<BR/><BR/>Typically on avg, when a team can solve every 3 Q, but drop 1Q, then the team can remain positively motivated to try their best. But imagine if you can solve 1Q only, but drop 3Q consistently, you will feel very demotivated after (say) 15-20Q & may want to give up. Thus as COC (which I'm one myself), it is crucial to alternate tough Q with some easy ones.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, how do you define easy Q vs hard Q? It is a matter of relativity. Easy to Masters may not be easy to novices. Perhaps HRU may have defined Easy in their eyes as Masters. Since they are all Masters, the level of Q moderation among themselves may not be so much. Hence the novices may end up finding out that most Q are tough. <BR/><BR/>If you check out some of the Easy Q (eg Q8 SIS, Q14 Photostate, Q16 Ammansion, Q19 BigWave), you'll be realise that this may be easy to solve, but not so easy to see, among the huge number of boards around. As Cornelius rightly pointed out, when the Q requires some time to search, due to its invisibility, it becomes not Easy & take some time. <BR/><BR/>In short, I love the Q variety here, but perhaps the spread of Q toughness needs to be moderated to sustain hunters' motivation.<BR/><BR/>2. As to Hunt Innovation, I feel that it introduces new kind of clueing (at least for me) & my team learns tremendously from this hunt. Eg Q1 LineX Q10 Shell Q25 First aid Q28 101. This is certainly a good value for money & has educational value. Pls carry on the good work of breaking the traditional boundary of clue setting.<BR/><BR/>3. Time allocation has been an issue of contention; before, during and even after the hunt. Given the Q difficulty level, the number of questions, challenges etc, I trust that this hunt deserves to be set at least 5.5 - 6 hours (even for Masters). Believe me for this hunt, even with 6 hours, I doubt that any masters in their right mind, will come in as early as 4.5 - 5 hours to submit their answers totally happy. To set anything shorter than that, will end up with some Q dropped & some possibly not well attempted, due to time constraint. <BR/><BR/>A simple analogy is that HRU has gone through so much trouble to brew us a great cup of quality 'tea', but we are not given adequate time to smell & savour it. The time rush has caused us to spill most of the tea on to the floor, totally untasted. This doesn't do justice to HRU effort & time. <BR/><BR/>In conclusion, I still believe that this is a top notch hunt; just some fine-tuning efforts will make this event even better. I will look forward & join HRU future hunt, sincerely believing that the next one will be even much greater!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-16152727793831215962009-03-06T07:27:00.000+08:002009-03-06T07:27:00.000+08:00There is of course no reason to be angry for doing...There is of course no reason to be angry for doing badly in any hunt. I am defeated, period! Disappointed, yes - angry, never! It's just not worth the heartache to be angry for a game. But I did say some good things about this hunt. I said you have done well in organizing a very tough hunt, did I not? And also some innovations?<BR/><BR/><I>"We consider ourselves still amateurs in organising hunts, therefore we welcome all feedback and opinions."</I><BR/><BR/>That line looks a lot like inviting feedbacks from your audience.<BR/><BR/>My sincere apology for my comments. If it makes any difference at all, please delete them. Let's call a truce and start looking forward to a new day in the treasure hunting calendar. I'm sure the next time we meet, we will all laugh about this debate.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-33090695158069894432009-03-06T03:05:00.000+08:002009-03-06T03:05:00.000+08:00Cornelius, in your excitement to criticise (repeat...Cornelius, in your excitement to criticise (repeatedly), I feel that you have neglected the fact that for a team to be successful, they not only need to be good in breaking the clues, they too need to manage their time and resources well against the rules provided for by the organizers.<BR/><BR/>And watching the drama unfold from the other side, I must say that most teams failed in the latter aspect, spending more time than they should in the first sector - with a few elite teams staying on until 9am. And that effectively killed off what chance these teams had to savour all 30 questions prepared for this hunt. <BR/><BR/>And things got from bad to worse when these teams started to drop more questions in the later sectors under time pressure. Fatigue then started to set-in and the mind started to lose focus, affecting their performance on the rest of the hunt. Easy questions like Q14 - Q16 ended up being dropped even by the best of teams.<BR/><BR/>So the end result, did not really surprise me any. And to be fair to the elite team that went hunting for an hour after the hunt ended, I don't think they were in the right frame of mind then to search for answers. Had they been fresh, I am certain that they would have picked up more than one answer.<BR/><BR/>I am rather surprised that you said that the one hour did not make a difference when you have been one of our strongest critics against the extra hour we decided to give to novice and up-and-coming teams. One elite team even warned us that he can double round the entire 40km twice in that time to double check answers, in condemning the extra hour.<BR/><BR/>Yes, like any other novice CoCs, no matter how hard we try, we too can make mistakes and end up with shortcomings in our very first event. But we are willing to listen to our critics and improve on future editions. There is no need for you to go from blog to blog continuously harping on the same few points.2 Romans 1 Impostorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17620986324451691215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-63848900935312129222009-03-06T00:14:00.000+08:002009-03-06T00:14:00.000+08:00Cornellius,From the way you lashed out on the orga...Cornellius,<BR/><BR/>From the way you lashed out on the organisers of this hunt here and in your blog, I can sense that you are one very angry man. What's the matter? Angry with HRU for giving you such a tough time in the hunt and not getting back your money's worth? Or you simply needed a venue to vent your frustrations for not doing well? Or perhaps you can only find joy being mean? Is our hunt really that bad that you have trouble finding a single good thing to say? What about our cause, our bag of goodies, 3 sets of questions, our "flowers" and the food we have selected for you? Say something nice for a change.<BR/><BR/>Now, I would like to state that i am not the "real McCoy" as far as the questions are concerned so the issue of "blowing my own trumpet" does not arise here. I am by far not a very good hunter, but I have been hunting since 1988 and I have witnessed all kinds of questions - good, bad, fantastic, memorable, easy and tough. With all these years of experience, I think I am capable of differentiating a tough and an easy question. Besides, I think we are all entitled to our own opinions so let's not question its validity.<BR/><BR/>I also have a million dollar question too : How much time do you think is required in a normal hunt for 35 km with 30 questions, 4treasures and 3 challenge questions? We thought 5.5 hrs was sufficient as in any local hunts that we have taken part in. If we have made our questions too tough for a 4.5 ~ 5.5 hr hunt, our sincere apology. Being a first timer in organising a hunt, I think it is excusable that we make some mistakes along the way, but let me assure you that we will learn from them.<BR/><BR/>I have no intention in conducting a poll here to debate whether or not we have done injustice to hunters in our time allocation for the hunt. I trust and believe all hunters can speak for themselves without you nudging them on or taking the words out of their mouths or you putting them in for them. We are not in a state of denial, we know we have not lived up to everybody's expectation. <BR/><BR/>Knowing you from all the previous postings, I suspect I'll be getting another long comment in your reply. You are someone who will always have to have the last say. Still, I could be wrong.....again.kkchaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199539992663861826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-77073439400348527192009-03-05T22:57:00.000+08:002009-03-05T22:57:00.000+08:00Hahaha!... I didn't even notice that you have comm...Hahaha!... I didn't even notice that you have commented up to the last question!<BR/><BR/><I><B>"Some dubbed this hunt "super tough", but I don't quite agree. Tough hunt, yes. Super tough hunt? hmmmm... can we really take credit for that?"</B></I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I guess you have a point there. "Tough" and "Super Tough" are after all relative terms.<BR/><BR/>My personal view is that this hunt was "Super Tough". I'm not saying that all the questions were impossibly unsolvable. But when taken as a whole, with time element, with Blind MICE, with treasures etc, it was "Super Tough". <BR/><BR/>This is how I analyse it:<BR/><BR/>30 teams hunting, but only 4 passed. That works out to be only 13% passing rate in a field comprising not only new comers, but also a fair number of masters and grandmasters.<BR/><BR/>Of those teams which passed the hunt, their performances were like this:<BR/><BR/>Champion: 65%<BR/>2nd: 55%<BR/>3rd: 50.8%<BR/>4th: 50%<BR/><BR/>As you can see, the 3rd and 4th places were marginal passes. And the rest all failed the hunt. I consider the 13% passing rate out of 30 teams as "Super Tough". <BR/><BR/>But you rate it as only "Tough". How much lower the passing rate need be before you can consider the hunt as "Super Tough"?Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-37049068652295523252009-03-05T21:20:00.000+08:002009-03-05T21:20:00.000+08:00KK,There is hardly any difference in the 1 hour ex...KK,<BR/><BR/>There is hardly any difference in the 1 hour extra. This has been proven because the elite team went out (after submission) to experiment. They found an additional answer. I don't know if The Machines would have fared much better. They are obviously a very strong team, but I doubt that it would have been much better. Therefore even for the elite teams, the story won't be very much different. <BR/><BR/>Now, the one million dollar question: When do we start dropping questions? After 10mins? 15mins? 20mins? For this hunt, if we started dropping questions after 15mins, we wouldn't have had enough to show at the finish line. Ask the other masters who had 5.5 hours. I'm not a qualified "master", so I am not very clever in managing time. Ask the seasoned masters who really deserve the title if they thought they had enough time for this hunt. Time management can help, but only if you have a fair amount of it in the first place.<BR/><BR/>You should conduct a poll on your sidebar so that everyone can vote <B><I>anonymously</I></B> on whether the time you allocated for this hunt was sufficient. In fact, we can use a neutral ground; perhaps we can request Mike to conduct it in his blog. Let the hunters decide if all of us mismanaged our time that day. If the result of the poll says "sufficient time", I will admit defeat. Is that fair enough to you? Would you dare to take up that challenge?<BR/><BR/>Regarding the questions, I have said that they shouldn't be rated in isolation. They may be easy to crack but hard to find. Easy to solve, tricky to solve, hard to solve - it doesn't really matter. If a question requires more than 15 minutes before the answer can find its way to the answer column, than that question is tough, for whatever reason. At least that's how I see it. If I can come up with a question which will force the hunters to spend a long time on it, I consider that a victory, even if they're able to eventually find the answer. I will still consider that question a tough one because of the amount of time spent on it. <BR/><BR/>It is also possible to conduct a poll if you like. As I said, let the hunters decide on the difficulty level. After all, it's them who went through the ordeal of trying to find the answer. It's them who should say whether that was a tough or easy question. I think that is logical enough? The CoC who knows the answers will always find all the questions easy. <BR/><BR/>It makes very little sense if you're judging your own performance. What is the meaning of rating your own questions? That approach has never been adopted before. Imagine the Malaysian Idol contestants judging their own performances. They will all be the Malaysian Idols in the end!<BR/><BR/>That's how I look at this matter. But I accept that not everyone may agree with me.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-48384234769251056512009-03-05T19:26:00.000+08:002009-03-05T19:26:00.000+08:00Cornelius,You and your team have 5.5 hrs to hunt, ...Cornelius,<BR/>You and your team have 5.5 hrs to hunt, another extra 30 mins if you opt to use them, but with penalty points of course. Theoretically, you would have 6 questions to solve in 1 hour so giving you 10 mins per question and you only have 7 km to travel in an hour assuming you have stayed staionary for 30 mins to solve treasures/challenges collectively with your team mates. Now, if you have chosen to spent 30 mins to answer one question, then you will have only yourself to blame for not knowing when to drop it. We have been told time and again that time management is very important, so in some sectors, the questions are tough, there are also plenty ahead that maybe answerable for you to score points. So, instead of harping on not given enough time, perhaps you should also reflect if you have managed your time well. As for the elite teams, that would be another story.<BR/> <BR/>As for Q1, it's an old trick we are trying to revive. It's is easy if you have spotted it, I know the an elite team and a newbie, yes a newbie, have no problem spotting it so how can that be a tough question ? Tricky, yes, tough, NO.kkchaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07199539992663861826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-68429969136222624052009-03-05T15:47:00.000+08:002009-03-05T15:47:00.000+08:00Yes, CK Loh, the elite hunters probably did not mi...Yes, CK Loh, the elite hunters probably did not mind the torture, although they probably prefered to be given the opportunity to attempt all the questions. But for the ridiculously insufficient hunting time, this was an admirable effort by HRU.<BR/><BR/>As for the new hunters, this was obviously not a hunt for them. If they did learn anything at all, it must be the experience of hopelessness and walking aimlessly in the dark for 5.5 hours. Some are brave enough to say that they enjoyed it though!<BR/><BR/>Regarding the questions, they're interesting and challenging. Not without fault, of course. A couple of the riddles were set without sufficient reflection of the hunters' point of view. I have discussed, for example, Treasure 4 in my blog.<BR/><BR/>To give another example, take Q1 which has been rated "easy" by the CoC.<BR/><BR/><B>Q1) Our 'flower' symbol printed here do not allow admittance.<BR/><BR/>A1) TENAGA NASIONAL SYMBOL with "DILARANG MASUK" on gate</B><BR/><BR/>Notice that the 'flower' is in quotes. It suggests that the word is to be treated in an indirect way. So here it's referring to current as in electricity, i.e. something that flows. And "Our" means belonging to us, i.e. our national electricity supplier. The "symbol" here refers to, well, the symbol of TENAGA NASIONAL (3 lightning bolts). And the "DILARANG MASUK" answers the "do not allow admittance" part of the question. Thus the solution fits.<BR/><BR/>Nah... just kidding. <BR/><BR/>Actually, HRU set this question and intended <B>LINE X</B> as the answer. See the explanation in the post above. Only trouble was that they did not look at the riddle from the solver's point of view. The TENAGA NASIONAL answer looks amusingly fitting, huh?<BR/><BR/>Apart from that, the clue is also grammatically wrong. But that should not be surprising, because it's quite common in treasure hunt questions to find at least one with grammatical error.<BR/><BR/>Many of you know that I love the challenge of tough riddles, so I'm sure you also know that I enjoyed the challenge of those questions which I was able to attempt. Of the ones that I was forced to abandon due to insufficient time, it was disappointing and regrettable waste. <BR/><BR/>But who knows, if there is another Hunters Challenge, perhaps the CoC would consider giving us more time to attempt his riddles?Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-81166762371769278722009-03-05T13:52:00.000+08:002009-03-05T13:52:00.000+08:00I don't believe it, I have to agree with ckoh agai...I don't believe it, I have to agree with ckoh again.<BR/><BR/>As a regular hunter, I found that this hunt is a good hunt, a hunt that should be in the hunt calendar every year. I found that this hunt is very ideal to learn, where I only need to pay the price of 1 hunt, and learn many tricks that I will not even normally get in 4-5 hunts. So, it is worth for the money, as far as learning is the concern. And also it serves quite a good barometer to gauge whether the learning process goes right or wrong with a strong field of regular/master competitors you usually don't get in normal 'commercialised' hunt. It is exactly what the regular hunters or even the master hunters need.<BR/><BR/>If the COCs can do some trial run, and allocate a more reasonable timing, I think this is a perfect hunt for regular team like us. We need quality hunt, but we need time also to tackle every questions. Our team easily drop 8 questions with 5.5 hours given without attempting it, and even the clues are well crafted with good objective in mind, we just don't have the time to attempt it and failed to see the objective of the setters. Not every teams have good spotter/observer members, where there can spot it immediately, once the clue is broken, thus they have more time to tackle other questions. <BR/><BR/>To be fair to HRU, there are some easy questions in this hunt like 13, AmMansion, Selamat Datang that are considered easy in normal hunt standard. However, due to the timing given, and if you refer to the chart, these questions are among the questions that are not broken by many teams. <BR/><BR/>And many newbies team and some regular teams will regards these questions as another difficult questions in the hunt, look direct, but not really so, just like the other questions they attempted so far. Thus, in reality, there are really no questions for the newbies to solve, unless the question is bold, with information like "for newbies, please attempt it". The newbies team, probably will just skip the questions thinking the question is not their level and not realising that, they can actually solve it, if they spot it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Saying all this, I stress that this is a quality hunt, but if the objective is to encourage newbies hunter to pick up this sport, I afraid I have to agree with ckoh the objective is failed.<BR/><BR/>I always believe, just like other sports like boxing, weightlifting for example, you need to have competition for various categories. Only with competition with different category, it encourage new participations. If in boxing for example, there is only one standard category competition, I afraid those in the lightweight and featherweight category will opt not to participate to fight with the super heavyweight opponents. There might be 1 or 2 exceptions. but that is the best we can hope for. But with more categories, then every boxers will take part for the love of the game and also to gauge their level again competitors at their weight category.<BR/><BR/>In treasure hunt, we don't need so many category, just one for regular/master and the other one for newer teams will do.<BR/><BR/>I will take this opportunity to HRU to suggest that my ideal Hunters Challenge for the coming years divided to two categories<BR/><BR/>A) Hunters Challenge - participated by top 15 of the previous Hunters Challenge competitions, of course master teams also will auto qualify for this category too.<BR/><BR/>B) Hunters Cub Challenge - everyone can enter, and top 5 in this competition will be promoted to participate in Hunters Challenge the following years.<BR/><BR/>Thus, it creates something like Sun Hunt Master Category and Sun Hunt Open Category, and I did see Sun Hunt Open Category is a good competition to encourage new hunters to take part. Just see the partipation numbers every years and the numbers that in the waiting list.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion, Hunter Challenge is an ideal hunt for regular/master, but I see it harms the newbies to hunt rather than to encourage them. And I see having a different competition where their competitors are not Top 15 from the previous Hunter Challenge, will encourage more participation, because they also have the right to use the hunt as the barometer to gauge their level against teams that in their level. Those that really good, will be promoted next year.<BR/><BR/>By doing this, regular/masters need not to handicap them and have a tough and fair competition among themselves, and the newbies can have milder questions and more time to solve it, thus, they can attempt most of the questions set by the COC, not skipping most of it as happen to this hunt. <BR/><BR/>And this conforms with the objective of HRU, to allow all participants attempt their questions and see the objective behind it. The objective will not be met, if most teams, even the winner teams skip the questions without attempting it at the first place.CK Lohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02203895791615423522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4873728714349694734.post-75327615248429577982009-03-05T11:17:00.000+08:002009-03-05T11:17:00.000+08:00Thank you, BlogCe5nt, for sharing your views with ...Thank you, BlogCe5nt, for sharing your views with us.<BR/><BR/><B>Comparison of Difficulty:</B><BR/><BR/>I think HRU has lost its right to compare The Hunters Challenge to Jayaram’s, Kiwanis’ or Alex Hoh’s hunts. Those quoted hunts are generally known to be tough ones. Jaya’s Mensa Hunts, for example, have always been known as one of the toughest; Alex’s recent Bull Hunt was expected to be of “no holds barred” kind. In fact, he probably would’ve been criticized severely if he made it any easier than what it was! <BR/><BR/>But although HRU did not exactly declare that The Hunters Challenge was to be a stroll in the park, the hunting fraternity somehow had the impression that it was not comparable to those hunts you have quoted. Amongst others, HRU has declared that the hunt was designed for 4 hours only, but the elite hunters were given 4 hours 30 minutes to allow for unfavourable traffic condition. Further, the new hunters were given 5 hours 30 minutes. Does that sound like a tough hunt to you?<BR/><BR/>All along HRU - whether directly or indirectly - also gave the impression that the hunt was designed to accommodate the entire range of hunters – from grandmasters to the newbies. Yet the results of the hunt clearly indicate that the hunt was super tough even for the grandmasters, let alone the newbies. The winning team achieved 65% only. If it’s not tough, then how did they drop the remaining 35%?<BR/><BR/><B>“What we have done with the Hunters Challenge was to keep a standard that would coerce Treasure Hunters to improve their mastery”</B><BR/><BR/>You have done more – you have totally forgotten about the new hunters magnificently. What kind of mastery did you think those new hunters – especially the first timers - have at all? Let me tell you; they had none whatsoever! In all this, you have lost sight of your original goal. The “virgin” hunters came into this hunt wanting to learn a thing or two while at the same time hoping to enjoy the outing. They started with zero mastery, and you were all out to challenge that non-existent mastery. For example, HRU has rated Q1 as “easy”. Easy for who, exactly? <BR/><BR/><B>“… to raise their abilities a level higher…”</B><BR/><BR/>You obviously did not realize that you’ve raised the level many, many levels higher – not just “a level higher”. If we’re all high-jumpers known to be able to clear 1.5 metres, I’d consider raising the bar to 1.6 – 1.7 metre as “raising a level higher”. But you’ve raised the bar to 2.5 metres in The Hunters Challenge. That’s why only 4 teams managed to clear the bar. Viewed from that angle, I think HRU has taken the so-called “mastery improvement motivated” a bit too far. The whole design of The Hunters Challenge was teetering into the realm of impossibility. How many teams did not drop any question within the allocated time?<BR/><BR/><B>“How Good Are We, Really?”</B><BR/><BR/>More evidence that you have forgotten all about the newbies whom you sought to attract into this sport. How good do you think they are, really? They probably can’t even see a direct anagram consisting of 3 – 5 letters. Look at the question posed by “Pira” in Mike’s blog. What kind of mastery do you think he/she has? Well, OK, some of them can do better than that.<BR/><BR/><B>“As you can see from the results, the really good ones were really good. All 15 teams were from regulars - reflecting that you did NEED skills and experience.”</B><BR/><BR/>The mere fact that the top 15 places were dominated by the regular hunters did not change the reality of this hunt. There is nothing special in the results of this hunt except that we can all draw the conclusion that it’s super tough because an overwhelming majority of the hunters failed the passing marks. As for the top teams being regular hunters, that has always been the case in all the other hunts; so there is nothing to compare there. I’m sure everyone has always known that skills and experience are important ingredients for a successful outing. So, yes, if some of the (absent) stronger teams were there that day, they, too, would find themselves amongst the top winners.<BR/><BR/>This whole debate is not about following rules or a set formula for CoCs. You have done well in organizing a <B>very tough hunt</B>. You have done fairly well in some interesting innovations. But I think you have failed badly to attract the new hunters.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.com