Sunday, October 16, 2011


PETALING JAYA, 15 Oct 2011: I've never attended a church worship service my entire life. But I can always picture the pastor delivering the following message at the end of his sermons.

Makes sense, right? As people tend to stray, it is only apt that the pastor takes up the role of constantly reminding people to communicate with God on a daily basis. So I would consider this phrase to be quite common in the House of God (5050, would you agree?).

Rebus #2: AODNA.
Our Answer: Go Back and Pray.
CoC's Answer: Around and About

Unfortunately (as expected), the CoC did not see the humourous but rational side of our answer in this rebus challenge with a "common phrases" theme, which caused us two points and the match (hee hee).

Rebus #2 was one of five questions in the rebus challenge, an event that eventually decided the fate of the top 3 teams in the Masters Category of the annual City Revival Charity Treasure Hunt. The other tasks in the five hour event which included 35 questions (5 additional bolded questions for the Masters) and 4 treasure riddles were not imposing at all, with the exception of one of the toughies. The end results cemented this point, with the top 3 teams from the Masters Category and the winner from the Novice Category (I heard) finishing perfect on the road.

The results could have been entirely different. We were the first team to arrive at the finish control after 3 hours and 10 minutes on the road. However, we weren't satisfied with our solution to Q14 and decided to drop Margaret at the finish control to work on Rebus #2 while the rest of us returned to the hunting sector. This 'wrong decision' caused us the match and I was the main perpetrator. Along the return journey we got delayed by the heavy traffic, could not find a better answer (hence needing to stick to our original answer) and was later accorded the points.

Turning back the clock, my decision would not have been much different. Believe me, I am no stranger to taking risks. However, with an 'inferior' answer and close to two hours in the pocket in a very relaxing hunt, it just wasn't worth the gamble.

Q14: 5010?
Ans: LP Art Enterprise.

Q14 is very very similar to my very own 'Viki Lim' question used in a past challenge, so I am quite disappointed with myself for not seeing through the trick. Disappointment aside, I am glad to see The Phantom make a rare appearance.

It was a double joy to witness first hand a think-out-of-the-box question like Q6, which needed the collaboration of two signages twenty shops apart to yield the final answer. Witnessing it is one thing, solving it is another and my hat goes out to the teams who successfully conquered this delightfully tricky question.

Q6: The outlook is clear though well apart. Only when the latter starts.
Ans: IEW Sdn Bhd & Restoran & Kafe After 5.

Now excuse me, while I go pray that God gives me the strength to exorcise the ghosts in the coming week's hunt.

City Revival Charity Hunt Masters Category
Maximum Score: 135

Winners of the Masters Category.

Winners of the Novice Category - did they con Dom? ;)

1st: Sin Yoong Leong, Claire Chin, Goh Teck Koon, Julie Tan (133)
2nd: Chai Koh Khai, Chong Voon Kiat, Margaret Sha (133)
3rd: Peh Kok Hun, Loh Chee Kwan, Lim Say Chye, William Yong (131)
4th: Anwar Jeffri, Tan Kok Cheeng, Wong Poh Wen (126)
5th: Simon Matthew, Venkateswaran Nagappan, Buvanes Tharmalingam, Eeswaran Kanesalingam (122)
6th: Tan Eng Siang, Kong Siau Ching, Ong Kheng Heng, Diana Foong (122)
7th: Joehari Abd Jabbar, Geetha Kanny, Uma Priya, Philip Karuppiah (114)
8th: Pirabakaran, Navamalar and team (113)


pira said...

Dear Guys,
My team dropped four route questions and one treasure. Will like to pick the brains of you great hunters out there for some advice to improve my teams performance.
Treasure Question 4.
If you recall the word used to describe Jesus,
That He is of God and from God sent to us,
Drop in and you will see this sweet treasure,
Your chances will evaporate if I don't see that on the can.
We considered carnation, bought it, debated over it and decided not to submit it.
Reason :- Could not relate 'Carnation' to a describtion of Jesus, secondly, Christians do not believe in incarnation and it will be blasphemous to even think it. Thirdly, we did not think milk is sweet. Only line four 'evaporate' could be related to the clue.
Any advice will be appreciated.

2 Romans 1 Impostor said...

Pira, while you likely got mixed up between incarnation and reincarnation, the coc likely got mixed up between evaporated milk (unsweetened) and condensed milk (sweetened).

For lack of a better answer, Carnation Evaporated Milk appeared to be best fit (fitting most clues). Or did you happen to find an alternative treasure that perfectly fit all clues?

CK Loh said...

Pira, this is how our team break this, first we saw keyword CAN and SWEET. So, the treasure search is trimmed down to condense milk, canned fruit and etc. Then we saw EVAPORATE, and we know the treasure must be evaporated milk. Doesn't matter, the debate whether evaporated milk is sweet or not, because we are very sure no other more fitting treasure type that fit the three words caps above.

So we were considering GOLD COIN, MARIGOLD, and CARNATION. All have IN, the next given clue. And we can only fit in incarnation to the other clues given, and CARNATION fits, the rest are forced fit. So, we just submitted it and get the five points.

In the event, if there is any doubt of the meaning of the word, we normally will go to refer and if your team did that you will find out the explanation of incarnation in item number 4, fits and you should have less doubt and submit the treasure too.

Anonymous said...


this is the way INCARNATION is described in

the doctrine that the second person of the Trinity assumed human form in the person of Jesus Christ and is completely both God and man.

REINCARNATION is described as the belief that the soul, upon death of the body, comes back to earth in another body or form.

so the 2 are quite different.

So it is good to check with the dictionary even though you think you know the meaning of a word.


5050 said...

Yes VK, I would encourage you to go pray pray.
Let me know when you need a "prayer" partner :)

501001000 said...

Interesting phantom question of 5010!
Gotta admit that it does induce head- scratching moment before i spotted the phantom.

Hope that TOS did not get the idea from my online
Name ID. Come to think of it, i can now have an alias LPART01000. :)

2 Romans 1 Impostor said...

Interestingly, those who gave me some flak for V = Lima will not like this question either as it requires another level of thought!

Cornelius said...

I am one of those who don't like

10 = PART

because of that "extra level" of thought you speak of. I'm fine with the creativity in the reversal riddle. I'm OK with:




because I see those as more directly linked, i.e. equating reversals of synonyms.

What could potentially happen when adding extra levels into clues is that there is no limit to those additional levels. So in a future hunt, we might see something like this:

505x2? = LP Art

Where 50 = L;


5x2 = 10 = TEN = PART (NET = TRAP)

And again, I can't agree with "5x2 = PART"

Judging from the evolution of hunt clues over the years, those additional levels will certainly happen in the future; and no, there will be no limits too. Hence the limitless expansion of "creativity" and styles of hunt clues.

The net result is that hunt questions are not really cryptic in nature these days. They are more of a challenge of matching wits against the CoC; or trying to fathom what's going on in his mind.

Having said that, however, I do believe that a good treasure hunter, while armed with cryptic expertise, is one who should be prepared to adapt to whatever's thrown at him; soundness of the clues regardless.

2 Romans 1 Impostor said...

Corny: Don't fall off your chair but I AGREE with you!

To craft it as a Homonym clue (in my case) is one thing, but to require hunters to convert the number then decipher it again is a different animal altogether. In this case what would be the limit?